Tech Face-Off Part 5


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SUMMER 2003 



July 2003:

METALWORKING FLUID MAGAZINE would like to thank Robert Picek of Lormar and Tom Czartoski and Jennifer McFall of SRS for their support of METALWORKING FLUID MAGAZINE.  There are many people around the world that write to us and tell us they enjoy the magazine.  Without their letters, and the support and participation of companies like Lormar and SRS, there would be no magazine. Please send your follow-up questions, if you could possibly have one - to Lormar Reclamation Service and Solution Recovery Services at these links:

When was the company established and what is the background of the principals?  Publicly or privately owned?

Lormar is a small, privately held company established by Robert Picek in 1985.  For 9 years prior to establishing Lormar, Robert was involved with the development of fluid purification systems for large engines and industrial lubricating and hydraulic systems. Close engineering work with major industrial engine and hydraulic system manufacturers, lubricant formulators and fluid analysis companies lead to a broad base of knowledge about fluids, additives, and proper contamination control.  Coolant reclamation experience was obtained from work performed for large volume users in numerous industries with the support of major coolant formulators.

Solution Recovery Services, Inc. (SRS) is a privately held company that was founded in 1996.  The management team of SRS and the principals are experienced within the metalworking, lubrication and waste treatment industries.  The engineering staff is comprised of mechanical and chemical engineering with PE certifications.

Please describe all of the services you offer you customers, in as much detail as the space allows.  No brag, just facts here, we’re looking for an understandable list.

Coolant reclamation in bulk tanks and operating central systems.

-Waste coolant ultrafiltration

-Reclamation and dehydration of contaminated, high-spec lubricating and hydraulic fluids in bulk or operating systems.

-Waste oil separation and purification.

-Water Glycol hydraulic fluid reclamation.

-Reservoir cleaning and lube system flushing.

-New centrifuge sales.

-Contamination control consulting.

1. On-site Contaminant Control Services – emergency or routine fluid purification services or fluid purification equipment sales.  - Centrifugal MWF purification modules (sale or service)
- Mobile purification systems (batch services)

2. Fluid Control (total fluid management) services – customized programs to manage and optimize the use of chemistry within metalworking operations.

The SRS control and purification service strategies are applicable to:  MWF and cleaner water based solutions, the large majority of industrial lubricants, and wastewater.

Please describe your equipment and its capabilities.

Mobile fluid purification systems: 9’ X 24’ enclosed trailers consisting of pumps, low watt density heaters, 10,000 “G” self cleaning centrifuges, dehydrators, polishing filters and test equipment. Capable of purifying metalworking coolants to “like new” condition, and industrial oils to ultra-clean and dry ISO cleanliness levels. Tank cleaning and confined space entry safety equipment included.

Filter flushing skids: 3’ X 5” skids with particle filters and a 500 GPM pump for filtration of particles from oils and coolants.

Mobile water-glycol reclamation systems: 9’ X 20’ enclosed trailers with a removable skid mounted proprietary purification module and specialized test equipment capable of reclaiming water glycol to ultra-clean, oil-free, ISO cleanliness levels. Reservoir cleaning and confined space entry safety equipment included.

Mobile ultrafiltration systems: 9’ X 24’ open trailers with a removable, UF module consisting of process and cleaning tanks, pumps and 300 sq. ft. UF membranes.  Used to reduce the need for off site disposal of spent coolants and other oily wastewater emulsions. Membranes separate water from oil so the water may be disposed or reused on site, and the separated oils may be recycled.

SRS Contaminant Control programs employ proprietary separation techniques and technologies, specifically designed for industrial fluid purification.  Contaminant control strategies are designed based on the operation conditions of the facility and can include equipment for purchase or a complete turn key approach include system operation with performance guarantees.  The SRS mobile and modular systems utilize proprietary: high speed disc centrifuges, membrane systems, and the new SRTX (chemical free biological control systems). 
Both truck or trailer-based units and “modular” units are available to accommodate either sidestream and batch purification. SRS mobile systems process up to 2,000 gph.  The standard modular metalworking purification skid processes 25 gpm and is designed for sidestream or active reservoir purification.  SRS has recently launched the new SR 1000 series centrifugal purification module that boasts industry leading liquid/liquid and liquid/solid separation strength for metalworking applications.  

SRS Fluid Control is an on-site service to monitor, control and manage your metalworking fluids and lubricants. With no direct relationship to any metalworking fluid or lubricant manufacturer, SRS can develop a plan to test, evaluate, and control your metalworking fluids and lubricants without bias.

Please identify your geographical reach; the states or nations in which yourequipment and/or services are in use.

Fluid processing services are provided to manufacturers and utilities in the contiguous lower 48 states. Coolant reclamation clients have primarily been located in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oregon, South Carolina, and Maryland. Consulting services include clients in Norway and Canada .

SRS provides services and equipment throughout the United States and Canada .  The primary service region for traditional fluid control and purification programs are within the U.S. Midwest region.  SRS purifies over 1 million gallons / day in the Midwest alone.

Please identify quantitative criteria by which an Industrial Consumer can determine if he/she might benefit economically by your equipment and services.   For example: System type, Coolant type(s); Product mix (multiple coolant products); Volume of system; Processes (grinding, milling, etc.); Materials (ferrous, non-ferrous, etc.); Waste generated, etc.

A client’s decision to use Lormar is usually driven by direct cost savings, rapid response, and service effectiveness.   Small volume clients in the 1,000-gallon range benefit if within a 200-mile radius of Lormar’s Central Oklahoma location. More distant clients tend to be operators of larger central systems in the 5,000 to 100,000-gallon range where the added costs for transportation is less an issue and scheduling an extra day or two for transportation is acceptable.  Clients have the option of having both coolant and oil systems serviced during a visit, and can have several plants serviced during the same trip. All coolant types in most applications will benefit from the improved purity afforded by Lormar’s process.

Fluid Control customers using as little as $150,000 in industrial fluids per year can typically benefit from SRS’s fluid management programs.  SRS Fluid Control is different in that savings are achieved through control of in-process fluids.  This includes proper dilution control, biological control, more accurate testing methods, and continual data trending and examination.  SRS provides complete surveys of prospective facilities, taking as long as 3-4 days with a survey team to scrutinize the entire cycle of fluid selection, inventory management, process control, and waste generation. 

SRS’s Contaminant Control services can also be used to reduce fluid usage and waste generation/disposal costs.  Contaminant Control customers who discard 2000 gallons of diluted coolant per month, or who have a least a 5000 gallon central coolant system, can typically benefit from SRS fluid purification programs.  For oil users, 1000 gallons of oil is typically the minimum for savings.   Although the direct fluid and waste generation expenses are typically used to initially justify a both programs, the process control and quality improvements are ultimately the winners.

In contrast, please identify the Industrial Consumer whose system/coolant/processes would least likely benefit from your equipment and services (besides being slow to pay).

Companies with less than 1,000-gallon volumes located outside the 200-mile immediate service area will likely find the cost for the service prohibitive. For those clients however, we are eager to offer for sale small, affordable, portable centrifuge systems that can solve their contamination problems in-house.  Aluminum rolling mills find high “G” centrifuges to be too effective in removing oils from their coolants since beneficial “neat” oils are also removed with the offending tramp oils. Lormar does not process fluids like cutting oils with solids content greater than 5% because of the damage to the process equipment.

The primary factor limiting service feasibility is the amount of fluid used within a facility.  The larger the customer the more cost effective the service strategy can be.  Additionally, the ability to share resources such as capital equipment and staff between various projects greatly affects the program feasibility.  A cluster of customers within a geographical region allow for creative strategies to maximize the resource utilization efficiency and contain program fees.

How do you base the charges for the services and/or equipment and is there an estimated cost per gallon for different size systems?

The cost for Lormar’s reclamation service is based on the amount of time required to complete a project and is billed on an hourly basis, plus a transportation charge. 

The time required to clean up a system is very predictable however no matter what the initial level of solids, tramp oils or biologicals. Central systems are restored to an excellent condition after a volume of 3 to 3 1/3 times reservoir capacity has been treated through Lormar’s process.  

Typical process times to achieve excellent results for coolant central systems are as follows:
10,000-gallon systems: 24 HOURS, 

50,000-gallon systems: 120 HOURS, 

80,000-gallon systems: 180 HOURS. 

All-inclusive, per-gallon service costs range from about $0.20 (twenty cents) per reservoir gallon for large systems, to about $0.45 (forty-five cents) per reservoir gallon for smaller systems.  

UF projects are arranged on a fixed, per-gallon basis and range from about $0.50 (fifty cents) per gallon for 5,000-gallon batches, and about $0.35 (thirty-five cents) for 80,000-gallon batches.

Contaminant Control charges are influenced by the equipment used, fluid purified, location, and type / volume of contaminants removed.  Equipment recommendations are made by SRS product managers based on fluid type, contaminant type, system configuration, system location within the plant, and urgency of the situation.  Contaminant control or purification service fees are typically well below ½ the cost to discard and replace.

For water-based solutions and straight oil purification, the mobile trucks or modular skid-based units can be used.  Services using the trucks, generally purify from a dirty tank to clean tank (on a once-through basis) and are billed on a price per gallon basis.  Services using the skid-based units, used for a side-stream “dialysis-type” purification, are billed on a weekly, monthly, or term contract basis.  Alternatively, the equipment can be purchased and include a wide range of extended service strategies. 

Fluid Control fluid management programs are unique to each individual customer.  Therefore, these programs can be billed a number of different ways.  A cost per part basis, a term contract basis, a “fluid plus service”, or a flat fee are typical service fee options.  These programs are certainly cost reduction efforts and can typically guarantee a fixed 5-15% process cost reduction.

What is the fluid testing program used by your company teams in condition monitoring of the fluids, and what are the steps used in determining that program?

Condition monitoring of the systems we serve is performed in-house by the client and/or their coolant supplier. Lormar works with the client and supplier to help identify when the condition of the system is such that reclamation services are required.  Based on a combination of laboratory reports, plant personnel’s observations, fluid performance, and Lormar’s knowledge of the effects of contamination, we mutually decide the opportune time to dispatch a system.  Our goal is to restore the performance of the fluid, improve the environment of the plant, re-establish biological control of the system, eliminate smoke, odor or foaming problems, and improve parts finish and machine tool life most efficiently and at the least cost.

A good relationship between the SRS Project Manager, the SRS service technician, and the customer contact ensures a strong program that meets the customer’s needs.  The SRS Project Manager fits the correct equipment to the job, sets up the operation and testing factors for every job, and follows up on a regular basis to ensure that customer needs are met.  The SRS service technician is the customer’s on-the-job expert, and is specifically trained to set up, operate, and adjust SRS purification modules based on fluid test results.  Fluid testing and purification efficiency evaluations are customer dependent.  For metalworking fluids, tests typically include concentration, stability, pH, tramp oil, total oil, dirt level, and biologicals.  Tests can also measure characteristics such as rust protection and foam.  For cleaners, additional tests include total and free alkalinity.  For oils, tests include percent water and viscosity.  Fluids can also be monitored for specific components (additives, etc.) to ensure additives aren’t being depleted.

What are the most common health concerns of your customers that your equipment and services address, and do not address.

The quality of plant air and the incidence of contact dermatitis among operators are a great concern for Lormar’s clients. Dirty, oily coolants can cause the air to be saturated with oily, blue haze (smoke and mist), foul odors, and maintaining biological control may be impossible.  By removing tramp oils and solids to very low levels, drastic reductions of odors, mist and smoke, and restoration of biological control are realized. There’s nothing like a pat on the back from a machine operator thanking you for making his work place a lot better environment.  If a client has employees who use the central system as a giant dumping pit where solvents, paint waste, or other fluids are disposed, we can not normally solve the problems with odors, dermatitis and chemical reactions that result.

Common health concerns in most industrial environments are dermatitis, biological growth, biocide exposure, and air quality.  SRS Contaminant Control programs feature equipment that removes solid and/or liquid contamination, decreasing the tendency for dermatitis.  Biological growth is addressed by the SRTX technology used in the SRTX Biological Control Module, which reduces or eliminates biological growth without chemicals (eliminating biocide exposure as well).  Air quality monitoring and abetment strategies are common components of Fluid Control programs and can include reduction performance guarantees.

Reference is made to the recent wrongful death case related to exposure to contaminated metalworking fluids.  Has your company considered potential liability in matters such as these?  For example, if your company is contracted with responsibility for management of metalworking fluids in a facility, and your representative observes a potential health hazard to the employees related to the metalworking fluid, how is this handled?  Are your employees specifically trained to evaluate the potential hazards of the customers employees related to MWF’s?  Do your customers sign disclaimers?  (Your competitor submitted this question)

Lormar functions as a provider of services to purify and reclaim coolants and other industrial fluids. While we are very experienced at knowing what procedures and processes are required to rapidly remove a broad range of contaminates from different fluids, we are clear in not representing ourselves as a fluid management firm and do not assume responsibility for the fluids we process.  Even though our clients make their own coolant management decisions, especially with regards to chemical additions and when to perform a service, we are in a position because of our broad experience to recognize those situations where a potential hazard may exist. 

Not only is Lormar interested in avoiding exposure issues with our own employees, because of the close working relationship we have with the employees of our clients, we are quick to point out to the entire chain of command within a facility if any potential concerns are suspected.  Lormar’s employees are trained under a vigorous safety program that includes the critical issues involved in working with metalworking coolants. Our clients have not requested disclaimers, nor has Lormar required such.

We provide the know how, the equipment, and the people to optimize MWF performance.  Regardless of the program type and service strategy, SRS is contracted as fluid specialists to supplement in-house management and operational staff.  The approach is very much a team effort requiring cooperative information sharing and decision making to accomplish the program goals.  In terms of shouldering any liability, our philosophy is lets work together to monitor occupational exposures and make sound judgments to protect ourselves and those who are working with us.  We have staff experienced with HP and mycobacterium control.

SRS Fluid Control employees are trained in all aspects of fluid control, including health and safety issues such as biocide usage, and can obtain additional training specific to customer needs.  Our Fluid Control programs have very active dermatitis, air mist, and biological control modules available.  In particular we will monitor for mycobacterium and report results to the customer with control recommendations.

Do you assist your customers in the MWF selection process.  If so, please detail that assistance.

Lormar has taken a neutral position with regards to selection of MWFs.  However, we are of the opinion that more stable and somewhat more expensive coolants backed by knowledgeable suppliers can be justified when the service life of the fluid may be expected to be several years longer than “cheap” formulas.   

For those clients that utilize our waste coolant ultrafiltration services, we do recommend that post-treatment with membrane ultrafilters be considered in the selection process since some formulations are not amenable for UF treatment.

Fluid selection and care is central to the SRS Fluid Control programs.  If product deficiencies cannot be overcome, and a product change is required, we proceed with a very thorough evaluation and transition.  Following are the key elements of product selection:

Develop a RFQ based on program improvement goals. 

Select three vendors utilizing our vendor rating system.  We maintain a data driven MWF vendor rating system based upon all of our accounts and considering: quality products, incoming QC, analytical support, formulation advantages, and technical support. 

Conduct bench scale testing, thorough product formulation review, and ultimately a production test where possible: microbial resistance, foaming characteristics, emulsion stability, recyclability, machining performance, tool life, and other pertinent characteristics. 

Work with the facility MWF committee to compile the data and make a decision based on the true total cost per part produced (inclusive of wastewater treatment, occupational exposures, and many other facility or operational influences).

Do you assist your customers in the MWF disposal process.  If so, please detail that assistance.

Lormar provides on-site waste coolant ultrafiltration services for those companies that use a UF compatible fluid. The process separates the water from the oil in the emulsion and enables the option of on-site disposal or re-use of the treated water, usually at considerable savings.  

Most of Lormar’s clients are large companies with sophisticated fluid management and waste disposal programs. They work with established, approved vendors. However, for those clients who have indicated an interest in finding other vendors for their waste fluid disposal requirements, we are in a position to make referrals for professional, licensed firms that provide such services if requested.

First, our Fluid Control teams try to reduce or eliminate all the waste. We do this by segregating the waste streams and determining if we can either eliminate the stream altogether (with a process change) or recover and reuse the product.  The only fluids that make it through to disposal are those that cannot be eliminated or reused. 

At the disposal point, we then list the option available to us.  Can we set up on site waste water treatment? Must we haul off and, if so, are we using the best waste hauler? After listing all of our options, we then do a cost benefit analysis and make a decision as to what is best operationally and economically.

When cleaning out a fouled system in which it is necessary to kill the bacteria, what procedural safeguards are used to ensure that innocent, good bacteria will not be harmed?

“Innocent good bacteria?” Please don’t drag me into that one. I work way too closely with several of the people in this and other forums who have a strong position about the “good/bad” bacteria issue.  It is my personal opinion that the only good organisms are the ones that convert barley, malt and hops into my favorite beverage. 

The idea of “innocent, good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is certainly a hot topic.  We at SRS are interested in the final judgment on this.  In the meantime, we remind our customers that a viable, working metalworking fluid does not need to be sterile.  However, for those situations where biological control is necessary, the SRTX Biological Control Module is a great alternative to biocide application.

a)  Can your company provide service or equipment for the maintenance of a metalworking fluid such as Blazer, that is claimed to support functional bacteria that discourage growth of "bad bacteria" and is normally maintained with a decanting system?  If so, what do you provide in the way of service and equipment for this type of coolant?




SRS has developed and is currently launching a new product line capable of controlling bacteria and fungus within fluid reservoirs without the use of chemistry.   The new SRTX Eradicator kills microorganisms with mechanical energy only.   I’m afraid the technology is not yet discriminate to protect the “good” critters - sorry.

Regarding a separation or control mechanism via decanting, I would suggest that decanting is simple weight separation by applying the force of earth’s gravity (1 “G”) multiplied by the time (“G”seconds).   Weight separation is primarily a function of the “G” quantity, the distance required to effect separation, and the exposure duration.   The SRS high speed disc centrifuge units are designed to accommodate a very wide range of “G”/seconds/distance combinations to afford flexibility for the wide range of MWF and oil contaminants.   In extreme cases and when necessary, we can supply up to 17,200 “G”s.   Please know, SRS purifies over 1 million gallons of fluid daily and manipulation of the “G”/seconds/distance combination is a routine business – if a decanting device is getting it, we can likely separate it as well.

What quantitative disposal criteria does your company establish for your clients metalworking fluids?  Has there been any progress been made in this area in the past 2-3 years, either with new instrumentation or new analytical methods?  Alternatively, do you rely on the expert opinion of the local coolant salesman?

This is more a coolant management concern. However, if based on laboratory reports any of the physical properties of the fluid, such as dissolved solids, are outside the level where successful reclamation can be expected, Lormar will recommend a dump. If a successful purification result can not be assured for some other reason, an in-house treatability trial will be performed.  

As for “the expert opinion of the local coolant salesman”; when Lormar shows up, that guy just lost the commission from what would likely have been a pretty large order. I am heartened though by the turn around we have seen in the level of support for waste minimization by most salesmen. Granted, many were dragged kicking and screaming all the way, but most finally figured out that by helping their clients find ways to save operating and disposal costs solidified their relationship.

Never discount the opinion of the local coolant salesman.  However, SRS works closely with the original fluid supplier as well as fluid managers to obtain purification targets and maintain important fluid characteristics.

Typically, based on ISO/QS procedures, each pertinent fluid characteristic has a range assigned to it.  When either the low or high level is approached, action must be taken to keep the value within range.  This action may be as simple as removing sediment or tramp oil via centrifugal purification, or may include additive additions to (for example) maintain pH.

SRS only disposes of fluid when absolutely necessary to maintain fluid characteristics within specified ranges, predetermined with the customer and fluid supplier.

By what qualitative basis do you consider your equipment and/or services to be “technically” superior to your competitors, in general.

If I am the guy running a plant and am experiencing a coolant-related problem, what I really want is for the problem to just go away.  Lormar has been in the business of solving fluid contamination problems for more than 18 years.  We know how to make the technologies we operate perform.  Our clients know that within hours of our arrival, their coolant is no longer a problem.  We are responsive to their needs and provide timely, professional, cost-effective, reliable services.  

We only operate the most expensive, modern centrifuges and maintain them impeccably to insure reliability at the work site.  Our operators are well trained in the nuances of fluid treatment and they show up on time and ready to meet the challenges of the project.  It is the experience and professionalism of our employees and the reliability of our systems that set us apart from our competitors. 

I’d say there are three particular areas where we are a bit unique and can lock horns with the best of 'em. 

The SRS centrifugal purification modules are tough to beat.  Over the years, we’ve seen all types of application and all types of fluid conditions and have revised our units to accommodate the unique separation challenges of MWF.  We have various bowl designs to maximize separation efficiency depending on contamination type, and fluid media.  Specific contaminant separation without product removal is really quit a science.  We shine on the tougher contaminants such as insolubles, aluminum oxides, etc that other systems may not be able to reach.

The comprehensive and service oriented approach of the Fluid Control program is also top notch.  We really approach this business from the service perspective and work with the customer to get their process to the next level.  This may include unique program modules such as air mist propensity fluid evaluation or a comprehensive lubricants management.

Our purification service infrastructure including service vans, technicians, spares, and the overall bank of purification modules (50+) is another area in which we would be tough to rival.

In Federal Court, the standard by which an experts qualifications are determined is the well-known  "Daubert" standard.  In industry, the standard by which a coolant salesman's  qualifications are determined  is different in different regions.  For example, in Oklahoma, it the known as the “ball cap” standard.  In Louisiana, it is the “envelope” standard.  Can your company meet or exceed these standards when seeking new accounts?   If not, identify the experience and expertise of the operating personnel that perform your company services that might otherwise be considered.

There goes that Law degree again.  First let me say that we have really neat ball caps.  

As for Lormar’s employees, they are the greatest assets we bring to a project.  A supervisor and technician arrive on-site that posses the skills, confidence and problem solving ability that can only be obtained by successfully completing fluid reclamation projects in every kind of situation.

Supervisors have a minimum 500 project completions to their credit, while technicians complete our rigorous equipment Operations and Maintenance and coolant training program in addition to our continuing Safety Program.

We’ve batted this one around a bit and haven’t come up with any regional standards to share – perhaps your readers can help us a bit.  I can say….

Our technicians and managers are trained in all aspects of fluid management and must pass written testing before being assigned to a customer.  Exact training may vary depend on level of technician or manager, but all training is specific for the customer site as well as industrial fluids in general, and includes iFLUID WIZARD training.  Training subjects include types of fluids (coolants, rp’s, cleaners), how/why they work, neg/pos effects, as well as test parameters such as pH, TDS, biologicals (including what happens when you don’t control them).  Also included are pertinent H&S issues.  All SRS employees receive periodic reinforcement training and testing. 

In addition, SRS Contaminant Control technicians are specifically trained and routinely tested in water-based or oil-based fluid purification processes . Each metalworking fluid must be treated differently to ensure proper removal of contamination while maintaining the integrity of the fluid, the additive packages, and the metal removal process.  The SRS technician assigned to a particular account is expert in making the separation adjustments necessary to purify that fluid.

Can you share examples of recognizable customers who are using your equipment or services?

Though we are prohibited from mentioning their names, our coolant clients are world class companies whose brand names are commonly recognized.  They manufacture commercial aircraft and fighter jets, aluminum foils and cans, faucets, pumps, automotive wheels, bearings, piston pins, air conditioning compressors, small engines, aircraft turbine engines, oil drilling bits and pipe.  References are available upon request.

SRS customers include both automotive and general industry manufacturers.  This includes the majority of the automotive manufacturers (GM, Ford, Diamler Chrylser, Honda, Subaru, Toyota ) as well as others such as John Deere, Whirlpool, Hayes Lemmerz, Bendix, Metaldyne.  We work with both very large and fairly small customers.

Where do you see the fluid purification industry moving in the next 5-10 years?

I think there will always be a need for value added services like on-site fluid reclamation services.  It is a dirty job that requires a considerable level of expertise that many companies prefer to be obtained from outside sources.  Major fluid suppliers are now beginning to get involved with the entire life cycle of fluids including reclamation and purification.  I suspect that within the next 5 to 10 years companies like Lormar will have either arranged strategic alliances with these majors, or they will have been acquired to the benefit of their clients.  Hey big guys - give me a call.

The purification and separation industry as it applies to MWF, cleaners and oils has made considerable strides right along with the advances in fluid technology.  The future for us is continued strides integrating mechanical technology with chemical technology to fill a system and maintain it like the day it was born – day after day a consistent process treating fluids as a maintainable asset as opposed to a disposable or consumable.

What horror (or whore) stories have you heard regarding this competitor and/or the new head coach of their Alma Mater?

Hey, no fair!  Lormar is located in Norman , Oklahoma , home of the University of Oklahoma Sooners and our beloved B.S. coaches (Barry Switzer and Bob Stoops).  Can there be a better source of fodder for such a question?  As for the SRS personnel whom I have met, they seem to be good, hard working folks.  I wish them much success since I know that all of us will benefit when the machining industry understands the full range of benefits from working with experienced fluid reclamation professionals.

Hey, anyone out there advancing the cause is good by us.  Lormar has a solid reputation in the industry and they are well-liked by their clients.  We are however a bit skeptical about their college basketball allegiances.

What is the single best, most innovative and independent on-line reference in the world regarding the technology, selection, and management of metalworking fluids?

Metalworking Fluid Magazine baby!

What’s that magazine....?  Ah, yes… online!  Thank you for the opportunity to face-off on fluid purification.

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